Friday, March 16, 2018

Edward McGuires Ancestry - pt 2

Enniskillen Castle - Home of the Maguires
While the exact lineage of Edward is not proven, his Uncle John Sigismund's connection to the house of Lurg was documented.

There is little doubt that the family was involved in the Irish Rebellion of 1641 and that Edward's grandfather was relocated to the area around Ardfert because of that involvement.

The rebellion began as an attempt to seize control of the English administration by surprise in order to force concessions for the Catholics.  Conor Maguire and Hugh Oge MacMahon were to seize Dublin Castle and Phelim O'Neill and Rory O'Moore were to take control of Derry and other northern towns.  Unfortunately, Owen O'Connolly revealed the plot to authorities before the 23 Oct 1641 attempt and Maguire and MacMahon were arrested.

While the plan failed,  the uprising continued.  Known as the Irish Confederate Wars, the fighting pitted Irish Catholics against English and Scots settlers.  Additionally many Catholic families either did not participate, or fought on the side of the English.

At the time in Fermanagh, there were two prominent related Maguire families:

The Irish Maguires  were the family of  Cuchonnacht II the 14th Prince who died in 1589. His son, Hugh Aodh Mag Uidhir was Lord of Fermanagh during the reign of Elizabeth I.  He died in 1600 while fighting the English in the 9 year war (1595-1603).  His son Cuchonnacht III, the 16th Prince, fled to Genoa where he died in 1608.  Portions of this family settled in Tempo, some remained loyal to the British in the 1641 rebellion, others fought on the side of the rebels.

The English Maguires were the House of Lurg.  Conor Roe (Cornelius) Maguire was knighted by Elizabeth on 15 May 1585.  He was considered a traitor by his Catholic relatives.  Bryan (Sir Bernard Maguire became the first Lord of Enniskillen in 1627.  He married a sister of General Owen O'Neil and died in 1633. His son Lord Conor Maguire was born in 1616 and executed by the English for his part in the Uprising in 1645.   His son Conor inherited the title and died wihout issue.  Rory Magwire of Hassets towne (Barony of Lurge) was considered an arch rebell. He died in 1648. His son Rory became the 5th Lord of Enniskillen.

It is this second family that Edward is most likely connected to, most likely as a descendant of a younger son of either the first Conor, or of Bryan.  The 1641 depositions are full of references to Rory Maguire.  Stories by English settlers of being evicted from their homes and left naked on the road are common.  There are a few mentions of James, is one or more the supposed grandfather of Edward?  The first names brother Rory and Bryan.

"James รด Gallogher of Dresternen in the Countie of Fermanagh yeoman a protestant sworne & examined saith That in the begining of the Rebellion vizt the xxiiijth of October 1641 Hee this Deponent at Dresterman aforesaid was forceibly deprivd robbd or otherwise dispojld of his beastes Cattle & Mares Corne howsehold goodes apparrell and debts of the value & to his losse of fowr score < a > Powndes ster By and by the meanes of Brian Maguire of the Monntaines nore Callohill in the same County gent his 2 brothers James Maguire & Rory Maguire his brother & their servantes souldjers and partakers whose names he knows not: And quickly thereupon this deponent with his wiffe & their children fled away for saffety of their lives to the howse of one Mr Dennis Sherriden a minister whoe dwelleth at drumcore in the County of Cavan: Where he this deponent & they (amongst a great number of other English) were harboured & pr savd from the rage & fury of the malicious & Cruell irish Rebells vntill about a month nere & then they came thence with the English army
Signum predicti Jacobi Gallogher
Jur 4o Augusti 1643
Joh Watson
Edw Pigott"

A second document names James of Knocknynny, gent  with a brother Cahill and a third names  James oge Maguire of Ballykilcome gent along with a long list of Maguires including Rory the son of Bryan.

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Thursday, March 1, 2018

Edward McGuire's Ancestry pt 1

By The original uploader was
Peter Geymayer at German Wikipedia -
Meyers Konversationslexikon, Public Domain,

John Sigismund Maguire was a Knight of the Imperial Military Order of Maria Theresa. It was awarded to the General (of Kerry) for his capture of Dresden in 1758. (A Military History of Ireland)

There is much confusion as to the ancestry of Edward Maguire, especially if you read the many online family trees.  I believe it should be possible to sort this out, but at this point it has not been done.

One clue we have is the family tradition that Edward was on his way to Austria to join the army thanks to his Uncle John Sigismund Maguire.  The following sketch of General Macguire would tend to corroborate the connection, giving Co. Kerry as his home as does the Military History of Ireland.

History of the Irish Brigades in the Service of France

John Cornelius O'Callaghan - Dublin 1854

The Kerry connection puts the lie to some of the online trees that have Edward's father and even Edward born in Fermanagh.   With the prevalence of the names Constantine (Cuconnaught) and John in the Maguire family I think that researcher's have grabbed at possible records and put them together as gospel. What does seem likely is that the incorrect connections are probably relatives.

Conjecture names Edward's father, the brother of John above, as Constantine Maguire, born abt 1661. He married Julia McElligot (1663-   ) abt 1706.  Many of the online trees state that Constantine died in Virginia in 1750.  I have not seen any documentation proving that fact and in truth it seems very unlikely.  Constantine married Julia McElligot (1663-   ) abt 1706. The online trees attribute four sons to them, no actual facts have been shown to prove facts about Constantine and his family.
  • Thomas
  • James
  • John 1715  - 1750 Virginia m.  Catherine Mary McGuire (1722 - ) - again all the Ancestry trees are copied from each other, show and many show his son as his father.  
  • Edward 1717  
Constantine and John Sigismund Maguire were most likely the sons of James McGuire was born abt 1620  in Fermanagh, Ireland.  James married Cecelia (McNamara) Reagh (1623-1665). Supposedly, James settled near Tralee, McElligott, Kerry after political/religious disturbances in 1641. Again, this is all conjecture at this point, I have found no proof  of any of it.

The story as told here is related in William G Stannard's, The McGuire Family in Virginia: With notices of its Irish Ancestry and some connected Virtinia Families (Richmond VA: Old Dominion Press, 1926).  The problem is that many genealogies of the 1920 era were somewhat created, so without further corroboration, we can only be sure of the descendancy from Edward himself.  That is well documented.

The Maguires of Fermanagh by John O'Donovan
Ball of the Wild Geese - St Patricks Day in Hapsburg Austria 1766
Encyclopedia of Virginia Biography Vol IV pg 343-352  

Thursday, February 15, 2018

Edward McGuire

Much has been written about Edward McGuire and his descendants, so this is just a short summary with hopefully some good links for those who are interested in learning more

Edward McGuire was born in 1717 in Co. Kerry, Ireland, most likely in the Ardfert area.

The family lore says that Edward took part in the efforts to restore the Stuarts to power in 1745 and when the effort failed, it was deemed wise for him to leave Ireland.  His uncle, General John McGuire arranged for him to join the Austrian Army.  Edward sailed for Lisbon and there contacted yellow fever. After weeks of illness he felt too weak to enter the service.  During his time there he had met Bishop Carroll of Maryland who convinced him to sail for America.  

Edward invested what money he had in a cargo of wine.  He sailed to Philadelphia, sold the cargo, and proceeded to the "Valley of Virginia".  He settled in Winchester, VA where in 1747 he purchased 346 acres from Lord Fairfax.  By 1760 his holdings were over 6000 acres.Own lot 61 of the original 70 lots of the city of Winchester, he had a hotel and tavern. In  1782 he petitioned that  the Hastings Court of the Borough be given the sole authority to grant liquor licenses as many of the sellers of intoxicants were causing great trouble.  He and the other large hotel owners managed to get this passed. 

Edward  also engaged in the business of lending money for mortgages. In Hampshire county he is listed on many land records as the mortgager or lease holder.

Edward was a member of the Hiram lodge and served on the Board of Trustees of Winchester Academy.  He served as Justice of the Peace in 1851 and remained involved in politics thorough his life. 

During the revolution he was the provisioner of Captain Nevilles company.

Edward married Susannah  before 1850 and they had five known children, John, William. Edward, Elizabeth and Ann.  Susannah's name can be found on Edwards early land records.  She died sometime before 27 July 1774 when Edward married Millicent Dobie [D'Obee], the daughter of Samuel, in Frederick, Virginia. 

Note: Many online genealogies name Edward's first wife as Elizabeth Wheeler.  Land records definitely give the name Susannah and I have not seen records that corroborate the name Wheeler.  As she is not the Trindle ancestor, I leave others to do the necessary research. 

Edward died in 1806 at the age of 89. In his will dated 19 Jul 1806/ 1 Dec 1806 he mentions his sons, John, William, Edward, and Samual and his daughters Elizabeth, Ann, Susannah and Mary McDonald. He also mentions his grandchildren Angus William, Milicent Susannah and Charles McDonald, children of his daughter Mary. 

Edward had donated the land on which the Catholic Church in Winchester stood.  His will, which was witnessed by Goldsmith Chandlee and Benjamin Chandlee, stipulated that ... "It is my will that the lot upon which the Catholic Church now stands shall be forever appropriated for that use and no other."  

Children with wife Susannah:
  1.  John McGuire was born about 1750 in Winchester, Winchester, Virginia, United States. John served with the Virginia Troops as a volunteer on the expedition to Canada and was taken prisioner at Quebec on 31st Dec 1775.  He was with Capt. Grayson's regiment in February 1777 and was wounded at Germantown in October of that year.  He resigned in April of 1778.  Later he was a private under Gen. George Rogers Clark in the reduction of the British posts in Illinois.  He belonged to the division of Gen. Clark's soldiers who received no bounty warrant. Family tradition also states that John was a spy carrying messages across the mountains to Fort Du Quesne.  While Morris' "Story of the Lower Shenandoah Valley speaks of John's going to Kentucky, family tradition places him in Huntington County, Pennsylvania after the war.  Several of his children were born there, before he moved on to Cumberland, Maryland.  A few years later he moved to the Northwest Territory, currently Ohio. He died before 1800 at the age of 50 in Ohio, United States 
  2. William McGuire was born about 1765 in Winchester, Franklin, Virginia. According to family tradition William ran away from home to join Morgan's riflemen when he was eleven years old.  He got as far as Boston but was returned home.  At the age of 13 he enlisted as a cadet in Morgan's regiment after his father finally consented.  He was wounded at the battle of Eutaw Springs.  William studied law and William and Mary College and practied in Frederick and the adjoining counties.  He was a member of the VA legislature from 1796 to 1799 and was nominated in 1798 to be chief justice of Mississippi Territory . He died in 1820 at the age of 55 in Virginia.  
  3. Edward McGuire was born in 1767 in Winchester, Winchester, Virginia, United States.  In 1818 Edward was elected as a director of Valley Bank Edward died in 1827 at the age of 60. 
  4. Elizabeth McGuire m. George McKenny in 1791
  5. Ann McGuire never married.  She was the family historian.
Children with wife Millecent:
  1. Samuel McGuire was born after 1774 in Winchester, Franklin, Virginia. Samuel started as an Ensign with the 4th Regiment Infantry USA in 1799.  By 1800 he was a 1st Lt. Following the attack of the Leopard on the Chesapeake Bay Samuel and 237 men of Hampshire county volunteered on 25 Feb 1808.  He was recommended as a major to the Governor, being described as a gentleman of untarnished honor who had a sound mind which had been improved by a liberal education.  Additionally he was a good tactician. On 15 Aprl 1812 he wrote to the Governor from Romney offering his services in the troubles with England. In 1813 he served as Captain with the 35th Infantry. He died in Romney, Hampshire, West Virginia, United States. Samuel was buried at Old Presbyterian Cemetery in Romney, Hampshire, West  
  2. Mary McGuire was born on 11 Jul 1776. She died in Mar 1809 at the age of 32 in Glengarry, Frederick, Virginia, United States.  Mary married Angus McDonald II. 
  3. Susan McGuire was born in 1780 in Virginia and  died in 1850 at the age of 70 in Shelby, Missouri.  She married William Naylor, the son of Ralph Nailor and Lacy Armstrong. (This is the line that married into the Trindle family). 
  • American Historical Society, History of Virginia (Chicago & New York:, 1924) 
  • Burgess, Louis Alexander. Virginia Soldiers of 1776. Richmond, VA, USA: Richmond Press, 1927, p278. Affidavits (Ancestry)
  • Daughters of the American Revolution, Lineage Books of the Charter Members of the National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution  Vol I - CXXXIII (Washington DC 1890s - 1920s).  
  • Deed Books of Frederick Co, VA; Hampshire Co, VA (WV) A Guide
  • Frederick County VA Marriage Records Page 157.
  •  Frederick Co VA Will Book 8 pages 270-273.
  • Horton, Vickie Bidinger,  Abstracts from Hampshire County Minute Book 1817 - 1823,   Reprinted for Clearfield Co. by Genealogical Pub. Co., 2001 (Ancestry)
  • Horton, Vicki Bidinger. Hampshire County [West] Virginia Personal Property Tax Lists, 1800-1814. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2002.
  • Hu, Maxwell. A History of Hampshire County. A Brown Boughner 1897.
  • Johnson, Ross, West Virginia Estate Settlements (GEN PUBCO 1985). (Ancestry)
  • Meade, William, Old Christian Ministers and their Families in Virginia (1857)
  • Miller, T C. History of West Virginia and Its People, Volume 1. Charleston, WV: Lewis Historical Publishing Co., 1913
  • Sage, Clara McCormack and Laura Sage Jones. Early Records Hampshire County Virginia now West Virginia  including at the start most of Virginia apart from Augusta DistrictBaltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.
  • Sims Index to Land Grants in West Virginia. N.p.: n.p., 1952. 
  • Stanard, William G, The McGuire Family in Virginia: With notices of its Irish Ancestry and some connected Virhinia Families (Richmond VA: Old Dominion Press, 1926)  Hatai Trust
  • Virginia House of Delegates, Journal of the Virginia House of Delegates (). 
  • Website, Historic Hampshire (Charles C. Hall), HistoricHampshire County, West Virginia: West Virginia's Oldest County 
  • Reynolds, William, Reynolds & McGuire Ancestors (1978 Raleigh NC)
  • Flora McDonald Williams, The Glengarry McDonalds (N.p.: Electric Scotland (original) George G Fetter Co, 1911  

  • Virginia. Alexandria. Alexandria Herald. 21 January 1818.
  • Virginia. Richmond. The Richmond Enquirer. 25 July 1828.

  • McGuire on Dropbox

Tuesday, January 30, 2018


Although this blog began with the intention of being all things Trindle, as time passes and few Trindles have found it, it seems that branching out to include the collateral families makes sense.  So this is the first of many posts that will include the OTHER ancestors of Ivan Trindle.  The ancestors of Millicent Chapman Trindle will be appearing on a separate blog Millie.

Edward McGuire, the only Irish Catholic ancestor of Ivan to emigrate to the US, was from Ardfert, Co Kerry.  On a recent trip to Ireland, I visitied the Cathedral and Friary there and so this diversion to collateral families begins with pictures from Ardfert.

The monestary dates to the 6th century, and no, the McGuire family was not resident in Co Kerry at that time.  Most likely, they were among those uprooted from Tyrone by Cromwell and resettled in Kerry.  But the remnants of the Monestary were there when Edward sailed from Ardfert in the 18th century.  He would have known them well as they even today are a very visible feature of the town.

The monestary was founded by St. Brendan the navigator.  In fact, the cathedral, though now in ruins was in use until the 19th century.  It dates to the 13th century.

The Friary was founded in the 13th century and taken over as barracks in 1584.  It would also have been well known to Edward and his family.

Heritage Ireland - Ardfert Cathedral
Ardfert Cathedral - Megalithic Ireland
Ardfert Cathedral - Wikipedia
Ardfert Friary - Monastic Ireland
Ardfert Pictures

Next up, the story of Edward...

Wednesday, March 8, 2017

John Trindle probate 1731

One interesting find in researching Trindles, is the probate of John Trindle, a merchant in Dublin in 1731.  If our William followed normal naming rules in giving his son the name John, then his father should be John. A death for John in 1730/31 might explain why his sons would emigrate to America, where William is found in 1740.  Family tradition states that he was in Philadelphia prior to 1740 learning the trade of a tailor.

Unfortunately the wills listed in the Will Registers do not exist and to date I have found no connections between John and William...but it is a quest to keep in mind.

Thursday, June 16, 2016

Changing Surnames: Terindelli to Trindell

Among the puzzles I found over the years was that of Louis Trindell bn abt 1860 in Italy.  He married Mary Rubega who was born about 1870 before 1890 in Italy and they had one son Henry born there. They immigrated to New Jersey before 1898 when son Joseph was born.  Other children found in the 1920 census in New Jersey included Clet and Felix.  This was the only Trindell family that I found connected to Italy, so I sometimes wondered if Louis had a background elsewhere.  But....I finally found the 1910 census record for ....

Luigi Terindelli, wife Mary and children Harry, Samuel, Joseph, Clet and Felix.  Samuel was born in Italy, pinpointing immigration

I still have not found Luigi in the 1900 census, but Clet's christening at Saint Joseph of The Palisades Catholic Church in 1902 in Hudson Co. NJ is indexed on FamilySearch.

Another example of why one needs to be open to "all" spellings!  I wonder if the 1900 record is hiding with yet another spelling of Terindelli.  

Thursday, June 9, 2016

John Trindle (Troendle)

John Trindle, who was born in Germany abt 1850, died 29 Sep 1893 in Philadelphia.   He was married.
Amelia (Boehl) Trindle who is listed in the 1900 census is the widow of James M. Trindle, rather than John as evidenced by her children's birth records.  No other "Trindle" widows are found in Philadelphia in 1900, so John's widow either moved, remarried or died.

John was buried in Saint Peters German Redemptionist Fathers Cemetery. No other Trindles were found in available online records buried there.  The cemetery burial register spelt the name Troendle, no other Troendle records were found on FindAGrave. is important to remember that so many sources are incomplete, including the listings on find a grave.  Further research in the registers for St. Peters RC Cemetery turned up a listing for Peter Troendle who died in 1898.

The plot book for the cemetery gave more, listing John, Peter and Joseph as the Troendle brothers.  Joseph died in 1918.  There was a fourth burial in  plot 148 Sec F (or rather double burial) that of  Joseph and Helen Pomykacz.  Might Helen be the wife of one of the brothers, or a sister?  And who is Anna May Tracy?

This is a good example of why one should never trust that the "spelling" found is the correct one.  The original record found, the burial card for John Trindle is the only one found with that spelling but expanding the search gives at least two brothers for John and clues to finding more family links.