Weekly Puzzle - George Trindle

Photo from FindAGrave Memorial 84625006 courtesy of BettyF 

George was born 6 Jun 1850 in New York and died 27 Apr 1901 in Mississippi.  He and many of his family are buried in Natchez City Cemetery. George married Emma A Noyes (1870 AL/MS - 1943 MS) on 17 Nov 1887 in Adams Co, MS (1) and they had three known children

• James Frederick 1888 MS-1964 MS m. Mary Lombardo (1 child bn 1918 not living with them in 1920)
• Arthur @1890 MS - 1944 m Mary Louise Cruise (5 children)
• Lewis Edward Trindle @1890 MS - 1969 OK m. Winnie McDonald (2 children) 

These are the George Trindles that I have records for who were born in the right era

1. George W. Trindle son of James S. Trindle and Margaret Baird bn in PA 1850.  He is accounted for in 1900 and we have a death record for 1914.

2. George Trindle son of Francis Trindle and Lucy bn 1850 CT.  He is listed with his parents Francis and Lucy with the notation "paupers of Brookfield" written on the side. I have no records for George or his parents after 1860.

3. George Trindell bn 1850 in Maryland was living in Baltimore in 1880.

4.  George Trindell bn 1843 New York is indexed in the 1850 census, but closely comparing the writing to other records it is obvious this is George Prindell.

5.  George Trindle bn abt 1847. FamilySearch lists a birth/baptism for George the son of Gilbert and Mariah on 2 Apr 1847.  George (found in Mississippi) used a birth date of 6 Jun 1850.  

In 1850 he is living with his parents in Oswego County.
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Gilbert is not found in any other censuses.  George is found in the 1860 census in Lewis County, living with Himar Stafford.  Maria (Mariah) is not in the household..  This is the same place where the birth record is found  so it likely to be the same George.  He is has not been found in the 1870 or 1880 census to date.

FamilySearch lists a birth for George the son of Gilbert and Mariah on 2 Apr 1847.  Our George has a birth date of 6 Jun 1850 on this tombstone and a date of Feb 1860 in the 1900 census.

6. [Or is this still #5] is George Trindle/Trindell bn abt 1847 in NY.  George married Lydia Putnam abt 1868. According to birth records of his known children he is living in  Wisconsin in 1869 (Estella 1869- 1945 WA) and 1876 (Arthur 1876-unk) and possibly in Alabama/California ?  in 1873 where Gracy is born.  However, he is listed as a RR Engineer in the 1880 census so it is possible that the family traveled with him at times.

Note BP #4 

This is corroborated by the census, he is listed living next to his in-laws in Brown, Wisconsin in 1870 and in Waseca, Minnesota in 1880.  The 1870 census states he was born in Michigan, the 1880 census lists his birthplace as New York.  

This is a difficult family to trace.  In 1870 the name is spelled Trindle, in 1880 Trindale, and on Estella's death certificate Trindell.  No further records for any of the family were found after 1880 except for Estella whose death certificate lists her parents George Trindell and Lydia Putnam.

So ... is George in fact the same man as one of those listed above.  It is hard to believe that there would be no record for him before 1887 if he was born in New York.  Of course I might have missed records, and he might well be hiding in the census if he wasn't living with parents in any census year.

HELP!   There are descendants of George from Alabama and I believe of Estella out there.  Does anyone have records that might supply more information I look forward to any contributions that shed light on the puzzle of George of Mississippi.

(1)  "Mississippi, Marriages, 1800-1911." Index. FamilySearch. https://familysearch.org : accessed 2013. (note Emma's name is wrong in this record)

Weekly Puzzle - Thomas Trindle

Here's another Cumberland County (PA) Puzzle.  Thomas Trindle is living in Carlisle in 1789.  Who is Thomas?  None of the sons of William had a son named Thomas.  Is Thomas his nephew or great-nephew.  Is he perhaps a son of John who resided somewhere in Cumberland Co. when John Jr. (son of William) serves on a Jury.  It seems unlikely that he is completely unrelated.  Is this Thomas the Thomas Trindal, bn 1760-1770, who is found in Philadelphia in 1830?  If so where is he between 1789 and 1830?

We all thought as more records became available we would start to find answers to our genealogical puzzles.  But sometimes it seems they grow more intricate with each record set that emerges.  I'm looking for more early records for Thomas with any spelling of Trindle (Trindal, Trindel, Trindall, Trindell, Tren.......etc)

Weekly Puzzle - J.F. Trindle praises Hoyt's Compound

Monitor-Index and Democrat - Moberly MO
Thursday Evening, Oct 3,1929

So... a slightly different puzzle today.  John Fleming Trindle was living in Jefferson City, Missouri when he was married in 1927, so the assumption is this should be him.  BUT - John Fleming Trindle was only 22 years old in 1929.  Either this is not John Fleming or either his illness or Hoyt's Compound caused him to age a little beyond his years.  Or perhaps the ad agency thought he looked a little too young to be effective so they aged him?  How would that work if everyone knew him?

John's father is Jesse Thomas.  I have not found him in the census for 1930, but he died in Jefferson City in 1947.  Might the J.T have been corrupted to J.F?

Does anyone have a picture of John Fleming or Jesse Thomas Trindle for comparison?  Was there another J.F. Trindle in Jefferson City?

Weekly Puzzle - Jacob Trindle

One of the early records found in Franklin Co., PA is a tax record for Jacob Trindle in Guilford in 1786.  He is the only Trindle found in the area and to date has not been found in other records.

 Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission; Records of the Office of the Comptroller General, RG-4; Tax & Exoneration Lists, 1762-1794; Microfilm Roll: 327

  

There are only two other Jacob Trindles found so far in US records.  One Jacob Justin Trindle (1850 IN - 1901 IA) was the son of Andrew Trindle and Mary DeHart.  There are many records documenting his life.

The other, Jacob S Trindle has been found in only one census record.   In 1920 he is living in Dublin, Pulaski, Virginia.  He is listed with his wife Sally and daughter Ruby.  Although supposedly born in Virginia about 1858, I did not find him in the 1860-1910 census records.

Fourteenth Census of the United States, 1920. (NARA microfilm publication T625-1907; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 56; Dwelling 45 Household 46

 

Who are the two "one record" Jacobs?  Are they really Trindles.  The images shown here definite read that way.  If so, why have no other records been found.  The records for Franklin county might not be online, a search through land records might help.  The Census for Virginia should have some mention of Jacob born 1858 though.  I've searched with with many variations of Trindle and also Trimble.  HELP WANTED!!

Weekly Puzzle - When is a Spinster Not a Spinster

Well, after a week off to spend time with living relatives...very cute granddaughters no less, it is time to pose a new puzzle.  But unlike the other puzzles posted here, I have the answer to this one.




Take the case of Jane Trindle found in Lugen Pennsylvania in 1828 listed as a spinster.  Is this the missing wife of David Trindle, who died in 1814 a victim of the rigors of the war of 1812.

Jane and David's supposed son John was married in Chambersburg with like Lugan is in Franklin County in 1831.  Lugen is within 40 miles of Trindle Springs where David grew up, the youngest child of John Trindle and Margery McQuisten.  But the listing as spinster gets in the way.


The answer comes by delving deeper.  In 1821 Jane is again found in Lurger, but this time she is listed as both a widow and a spinster.  Obviously, spinster does not mean an unmarried woman in this case.



The Marian-Webster Dictionary puts the correct definition first....a woman who's occupation is to spin thread or yarn. Other dictionary's are not so helpful.







Wikipedia offers the following .... "A spinster, or old maid, is an older, childless woman who has never been married. A "spinster" is not simply a "single" woman, but a woman who has not formed a human pair bond by the time she is approaching or has reached menopause and the end of her reproductive lifespan."  I would guess that they did not consult the many marriage records where a woman was listed as spinster and then has a child a few months later.

By far the most interesting definitions of spinster are found in the Urban Dictionary.  But the most useful in our case might be those that state a spinster is an older woman who is unmarried, including widows and divorcees.  With this definition Jane can be a spinster twice over and a widow to boot.

But back to Jane. It does seem that this is the wife of David and it is nice to see that by 1842 she no longer has to earn her living spinning and instead is listed as a lady.

How many times do we pass by a record, thinking that it can't possibly be the right record.  I this case the word spinster might have kept us from finding Jane in Franklin county.  That presence provides enough circumstantial evidence to believe that the otherwise undocumented connections of John R. Trindle to David are correct.

I am patiently waiting for the War of 1812 pension records for Jane to be digitized.  We know she received a pension and also was awarded bounty land  in 1853 under authority of the September 28, 1850: ScripWarrant Act of 1850 (9 Stat. 520) and again  in 1858 under authority of the March 3, 1855: ScripWarrant Act of 1855 (10 Stat. 701) for David's service with Captain Dunns Company of the Pennsylvania Militia.  

Perhaps the pension files will finally give a clue to her parentage.